Flirty v. Dirty

Flirty v Dirty

It’s my morning custom to cleanse my head from the day before and a ritualistic beginning to my new day. Running’s always been my daily inspiration, my therapy, my happy place, my solitude, my weight watcher, my whatever I need it to be. No music is needed, I’m in my head hearing only my feet and seeing only my thoughts and the trees. “Mumble… mumble ____ your pussy,” he yelled whizzing by on his bike, rudely interrupting my zen run. Yes, my ZEN run. Some wimpy #@hole on a bike had the audacity to interrupt my reverie and objectify me. Out loud. How dare he.

My first thought, after I impulsively flipped him off without breaking stride and without looking back, was, “Did I ask for this?” When guys have yelled lewd comments in the past, as stereotypical as it sounds, I wondered if it was my fault. So, you be the judge (I’ve already judged me, as I’m always apt to do). I have on a dark pink crew-neck Nike short sleeve workout tee and the ubiquitous Nike shorts in black with white stripes. I do not have on my Athleta bra, which is my most supportive, but I do have on a very supportive workout bra. I ban the bounce because I have a C/D chest, that would draw attention if bouncing, so I don’t let it. And black shoes and white socks. Nothing spectacular, nothing worth scrutiny. I’m just jogging.

If bike-boy (I didn’t see him, but he’s not what I think of as a man) had simply thought the words in his head, he could have enjoyed his “fantasy” of whatever he was thinking of doing to my private parts, and I could have continued to enjoy my morning. I don’t care what men or women do in their heads. It’s our right and privilege to have a fantasy world. Not only can we have them, but we are expected to. Just ask Sports Illustrated or Kraft… without our fantasy world, I’m not so sure the Zesty Guy would have as many women swooning over him. Kraft took objectification and twisted it on his head: the Zesty Guy is laughing with us. We watch his commercials and giggle and swoon. There’s nothing crude and nobody’s using sleazy words to describe him, we’re all playing along. Nicely. The issue arises when we cross that fine line between flirty and dirty.

But where is the line between flirty and dirty? My gut tells me. But, it’s not always so clear. If bike-boy had yelled out “Hey beautiful” would I have been offended? Probably not. But what if he had yelled out, “Nice legs.” My legs were showing, aren’t too sexual, and the language isn’t tawdry. Flirty or dirty? Simple language, but he’s yelling at me from his bike while I’m running. Has he crossed a line? And if he’d said, “Nice breasts” or “Nice rack” I’d be offended, but what if I’d just gotten a boob job? Perhaps flirty and dirty are subjective not only from the yeller’s standpoint, but also from the view of who’s being yelled at. But I don’t like strangers yelling at me. Period.

Does the flirty v. dirty line move as we age? Chloe, at 17, would be just as shocked by bike-boy’s words. The line between flirty and dirty comes from parental and family influence and may waver back and forth at stages in our lives, but I imagine the point where each of us says “ick” remains fixed. And when it’s crossed, we hurt and question… and maybe even blog about it.

So, back to my run… what’s the point of yelling filthy comments to women? He wasn’t trying to impress friends, à la the construction worker scenario. He obviously wasn’t trying to pick me up. Did it make him feel better about something? I don’t have an answer, but if you do, please let me know. I’m trying to understand, so I can react appropriately next time. My running / biking path is popular and I’m not changing my route because of 1 jerk, so I’m sure to encounter him again. I’d like to learn how to deal with misogynistic jerks, and I should teach my daughter too. I believe she grasps her central point of “ick” and flirty v. dirty. Now she needs to master dealing with #@ holes without questioning herself and without flipping him off, because I don’t ever want her to do the former and she’s too clever to need to do the latter.

Thanks for reading my rant. I’d love your opinions and advice and to know how you react when in a similar situation. xo ~Kim

 

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  • Jen West

    Ugh, so sorry you had to deal with that. Don;t let it damper your day, move on and forget the loser. Don’t waste your time even thinking of it.

  • Amy mayen

    Let me psychologically profile this guy for you. He is the less aggressive version of the guy who exposes himself to the carhop while ordering food. He can make his comment and then run- he’s a coward. He kicks a kick out of your shock- and I’m sorry to be gross but it’s probably a sexual thrill thing for him. Some of these guys never take it further than “hit & run” comments, and some progress to exposing themselves and worse. This doesn’t make him a rapist but this type of behavior would be common in a rapist’s early life, before it escalated into physical contact. He could also be a dumb kid who never acted that way before, and may never again.

    Most cowards have bully mentality and are deterred by someone who looks them in the eyes and don’t back down. I’m glad you won’t let yourself be an easy target for somebody who wants to holler out obscenities. How do you feel about carrying mase? When I’m in areas where I can’t concealed carry, I keep my car keys in my hand with a key poking out between my knuckles that way I can punch and run if I needed to. I know, super paranoid weirdo. I can’t help it…big law enforcement family.

    Anyways, hope I haven’t offended. You don’t seem like the type who needs a lot of safety tips- I suspect you’re pretty tough if you needed to be. Us moms are made of different stuff! :)

  • http://www.popcosmo.com/ PopCosmo

    Good idea about the mace… or pepper spray. I’ll check the law here. I wasn’t frightened, but if I tell him off next time, perhaps I should be. Last time I flipped someone off, they pulled a gun on me. You just never know how someone will react, and I’m mild-mannered but it annoys me so much that guys think they can just say this stuff with no consequence. Thanks for the tips and of course you didn’t offend me! I appreciate them :)

  • http://www.popcosmo.com/ PopCosmo

    Nah, he didn’t dampen my day, just my run. But I do want to figure out how to deal with next time - that route is just too popular for him to resist. I might just start wearing headphones!

  • suzanne

    That is so sad that your zen run was interrupted by such a loser. Sadly losers like that exist everywhere.

    My usual strategy is to pretend I didn’t hear and ignore them.

    I wouldn’t provoke someone by countering back with a smart reply. You never know how far they will take it.

    Such a disappointing statement that women can’t feel safe on their own.

    bisous
    Suzanne

  • Amy mayen

    I just hate suggesting a weapon because sometimes people get mad. Im all for women having mace or more if they’re comfortable with it. I’m glad you said something, he may keep his mouth shut next time:)

  • http://www.popcosmo.com/ PopCosmo

    Good advice, Suzanne. It’s true, we don’t know how people will react and better safe than sorry. I usually do ignore people, but this comment was SO vulgar that I immediately reacted. Next time, maybe I will be able to ignore.

  • http://the-travel-guru.com/ Roni Faida

    I find as I age I expect men to act like gentlemen and for the most part, they do. Nothing wrong with a little flirty flirt, but when it becomes obnoxious or dirty then I quickly let them know they have crossed the line.

    Bike boy is a jerk and I wouldn’t have thought twice about it since you were running. It’s annoying but since he is irrelevant in your life, his words mean nothing.That’s a lesson I have learned-I don’t let people who don’t matter to me hurt or bother me. I refuse to give them that power. I just chalk that kind of stupidity up to just that, being stupid and since I don’t entertain stupid people in my life, I would have done just what you did and kept on jogging. And you do have great legs and you are beautiful.

  • Wanda Hoffs

    Oh bike boy, What a jerk!! But what’s really sad, many women actually feel flattered. I couldn’t help but giggle when you gave him the finger! You go Kim!! And get yourself some pepper spray! Women shouldn’t have to worry about what they are doing or wearing, perverts are perverts, regardless.

  • southmainmuse

    It certainly would feel like an invasion to me. And I would hate if something unpleasant — where I might feel a little assaulted — would interrupt the peace I felt while going on my morning exercise route. And I guess, I would ignore it too. You unfortunately were the women he picked on that day. With the way women are allowing themselves to be portrayed in music and culture, I have to believe this is an inevitable result.

  • Carylee

    I certainly understand and appreciate your initial reaction to flip him off. I was appalled reading this. If it were me, I would be scared of any retaliation, so I probably would have acted oblivious and tried to hide how mortified I was. I would have then also called someone on my cell because I’m sure I would have been absolutely freaked out. It honestly would have ruined my run, which is so sad.
    I don’t think you did anything to provoke him. He made the choice on his own to be lewd. I don’t understand it, but it was his choice, not yours.
    -Carylee
    morepom.blogspot.com

  • Linda Kinsman

    There are perves everywhere it seems. I’m glad flipped him off and didn’t say anything because it might have gone south from there, you just never know.
    I wanted to thank you for stopping by and leaving a supportive comment on my blog this morning. I’m far from wanting to stop blogging, but like you suggested, I may need to get a few new blog buddies. Have a great day!

  • http://www.popcosmo.com/ PopCosmo

    So true! I need to think before I react, but *grrr* guys like that make me so angry.

  • http://www.popcosmo.com/ PopCosmo

    I actually run w/o my phone. Probably not a good idea, but my daughter fell today and shatter hers, so perhaps a good idea b/c I trip a lot!! It wasn’t scary at all, just anger-invoking. He wasn’t stalking or anything, just trying to get a reaction… but then again, not really since he just rode off. That’s the whole thing: what was his point? Why say such crazy things? I just can’t figure it out! Thanks for the support - you’re right, it was his choice!

  • http://www.popcosmo.com/ PopCosmo

    I do agree… it’s like we are just there to objectified. Well, I don’t think so (said in my best snap my fingers voice!). And you nailed it… I felt assaulted, hence the flipping off and not ignoring. Anything less said, I would have ignored, but this totally crossed the disgusting line.

  • http://www.popcosmo.com/ PopCosmo

    I think pepper spray is in my future when I run on trails. So sad that I feel I need it, but with so many of you mentioning it, I better get some!

  • http://www.popcosmo.com/ PopCosmo

    Great point.. don’t give him that power!!! Love that, Roni!!!

  • Linda Kinsman

    I can well imagine! Years ago, I had a guy come up and sniff me, like REALLY loudly sniff me by my neck while I was standing in front of my daughters school waiting for them to dismiss my kindergartener! My friend was like DUDE, step! I still get the creeps.

  • http://www.popcosmo.com/ PopCosmo

    Ewww, I don’t know what’s worse: him smelling your neck (he was close!) or being in front of your daughter’s school! Both are really, really creepy.